Obama Turns His Back On The Handicapped
August 9, 2009 · carl · Print This Article
In a recent article, we told you so.
Barack Obama appoints the Angel Of Death, Ezekiel Emanuel to a high-level advisory post on health care reform.
And just as Barack Obama feels that it is funny to make fun of participants in the Special Olympics, Emanuel figures that it is fine with him if they are denied medical treatment.
Josef Mengle would be so proud.
This is the sort of heartless bottom feeding scumbag that will be overseeing America’s health care system unless enough of you raise hell with your elected officials as they come home for the summer recess of Congress!
And as for the brave woman in the video, Michelle Bachman , if you see her give her a standing ovation!
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I’m so mad at the people who are responsible for scaring and worrying so many of the seniors and many others.
I live in Canada and know that our healthcare is great nobody is turned away or sent to a ‘charity’ hospital.
I’m very healthy, my 77 year old mum is very healthy and strong as an ox! But she’s had her challenges but through superior and caring healthcare she’s better than ever.
Don’t let the people who want to scare and use you win seniors!
They are using you for their own selfish ends.
@t
Seniors in this country are worried because there are proposals in the Democrats’ legislation that will take $500 billion out of Medicare (in the US Medicare is for 65 & older). That money is planned to be moved out of Medicare and into the new public plan.
There is another proposal to establish a Center for Comparative Effectiveness Research which could potentially be used as a center to ration healthcare: http://www.examiner.com/x-12465-Washington-County-Independent-Examiner~y2009m7d27-Health-care-reform-means-rationing
The US has much less of a wait time to see specialists or get surgery than Canada, but if we insure millions of new people for free and do not add any doctors to the market, then our wait will soon look like your country’s And we don’t want that.
So you may be happy with Canada’s govt. run monopoly over healthcare, but we know that others are not: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5fOULPJFiM
Salvaterra
You don’t want everyone to be given prompt, caring healthcare?
I think that you are very ill informed and that makes me mad. You have access to lots of information yet you seem to revel in purposeful ignorance.
Or maybe you have an agenda that doesn’t include telling the true story of Canadian healthcare.
What’s in it for me to lie? I have no axe to grind.
Well maybe I do I really get upset when people are treated badly and used in such an obvious way. You must stop lying.
@t
When did I say that I “don’t want everyone to be given prompt, caring healthcare?” I think you are totally misrepresenting what I said. It is obvious that I said nothing like that, but you purposefully and ignorantly try to act like I did.
And where did I lie? I do have information that I base my statements on, but I should just ignore that and believe whatever you say?
Maybe you have an agenda that doesn’t include telling the true story of Canadian healthcare.
Salvaterra
I’ve had two life-saving operations in my life one was over 40 years ago in the UK and the other ten years ago in Canada, so forgive me if I seem biased toward ’socialized’ medicine.
The plan your president proposes from what I’ve read is comprehensive and will exclude no one, so I find your objection rather odd. You say it will ‘insure millions of new people for free’ causing long wait times, etc. Should the ‘new people’ go into a corner and die? I suppose they are the 18000 men, women and children who die each year from lack of effective or for that matter any medical care in the US. My husband is disabled and needs a great deal of expensive medication to be able to function day to day. We’re just average folks, if we lived in your country he’d be one of those 18000 wouldn’t he? That’s my agenda.
Salvaterra
Yes it’s me again, I sent an email to the national health service in England and got a reply back within four hours, how’s that for quick service?
You may be interested in this ’site if you really want to learn why the Brits turned to the system they have today.
http://www.nhs.uk/livewell/over60s/Pages/Over60shome.aspx
t.
“Informative” quick service is easy when one third of the population works for health care genius! If you like the system they have adopted to limit your options on healthcare sooooo much.. feel free to move and receive their Healthcare benefits. I have had 4 life saving treatments in American hospitals since 1981, the year I was brought into this world, (meningitis 1981, heart malformaties 1998 and 1999, and a awful car crash two years ago) and would like to continue the coverage that i currently have.. not read in a bill that my private insurance will be effectively gone in around 5 years. Forgive me if I seem biased towards private healthcare. Not read in a bill that is measured in pounds not pages. They can’t even get cash-for-clunkers right. It was supposed to be fully funded until when????? November 2009. It ran out of money in how long?? The brits really turned to the system they have today because they were strong-armed into it by their parliment.. not because they wanted it. I have a British aunt that recieves treatment in the VA, of all places, because she was smart enough to marry a retired soldier and immigrate and become a soldier herself so she could get decent healthcare(I say decent because it is lackluster at best). Don’t push crappy healthcare on the last bastion of Freedom in this world.. AMERICA. if you want to see how socialized medicine in America works.. Look at the Native American Indian reservations and the Indians whose healthcare is dismal at best. Do your research. Ask questions. have “healthy” debate and healthcare ( un-socialized privately held ).
t
The United States has the best quality healthcare in the world. Our wait times to see a specialist or have surgery performed is the best in the world. Should the people who buy health insurance or get it from their employer (91% of the population), should they be forced to “go into a corner and die”? Or like the video above says, should it just be the old and the handicapped that are required to go in a corner and die so that the more productive members of society could get pushed to the head of the line? Is that giving everyone “prompt, caring healthcare”?
If Canada’s healthcare is so great, then why do Canadian citizens need to come to the US for diagnostic and surgical treatment?
http://www.canadianconstitutionfoundation.ca/article.php/52
The people mentioned in the above article sued the govt. of Ontario based on a Quebec Supreme Court ruling that struck down the province’s monopoly over health care coverage. Both Lindsay McCreith and Shona Holmes could have died if they did not travel to the US for both diagnosis and surgical treatment of their conditions.
You can get an MRI in under a week in the US compared to an over 4 month wait in Canada. That is the response time I am concerned with. I don’t care about emails. Maybe the UK should worry more about their emergency room response times and less about emailing:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641293810
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-334433/999-calls-ignored-ambulances-forced-queue.html
Thanks for the links interesting but a bit old.I don’t quite know why you sent me to a story about a private hospital in chaos. And the CCF is a bit right-wing to say the least , the board is awful top heavy with lawyers, I’d say they have ulterior motives that don’t really include healthcare.
Obama wants to extend health coverage to all Americans and allow for greater public-sector involvement alongside the current network of privately run insurance companies. That’s hardly ’socialized medicine’ is it? By the way that’s a word the right-wing made up. Nobody in canada or the uk had heard of that term.
Christopher I assume you were making a joke about the NHS having 20 million employees. There’s about one million employees in England. That’s the cleaning lady to chiefs of surgery. Where’d you get your ‘facts’? I noticed neither of you addressed the loss of 18000 of your fellow citizens through the US system of healthcare. Best care in the world? No I don’t think so the US ranks 37th in a list of healthcare systems in the world, Costa Rica is 36th and Slovenia is 38th! Uk is 18th and Canada is 30th, France is number ONE!
66%of the public want universal care and 59% of physicians. So it looks like you’re gonna get better healthcare whether you like it or not.
t
The links are old? The court case was from 2007, one of the emergency room articles was from 2007, and the other was from 2005. Do you have an attention span at all?
Apparently I need to explain the articles I linked to.
What does it matter if the Canadian Constitution Foundation has conservative board members? The article is about a court case. A case that is based on a Quebec Supreme Court ruling that struck down the government monopoly on healthcare within that province and gave them a year to change their system.
The links to reports about emergency rooms “stacking” patients outside in ambulences has to do with the laws in the UK that require patients wait no longer than 4 hours in an emergency room. Since that is impossible because emergency room visits are free and everyone wants to get in, the hospitals are forced to leave patients outside in the ambulences so they don’t end up breaking the law. This is the direct result of putting bureaucrats in charge of the healthcare system in place of healthcare professionals.
The current House bill’s language and Obama’s own words are the biggest problems in convincing people that this plan will not be a government run system, though you apparently seem to be convinced. Obama has said that he wants to force out private insurers over ten years and that he favors a “single-payer” system. You could take a look at the video on our homepage to see for yourself. As for the language in the House bill see here: http://www.classicalideals.com/HR3200.htm. Numbers 2,3,and 4 show that the deck is stacked in favor of the public option. Citizens of this country are totally justified in being worried about that given Obama’s and Congressional Democrats’ statements in favor of a single-payer system.
You talk about 18,000 people dying every year and the US ranking 37th in the world. First of all, I identify and link to my references. Second, you say my previous links are “a bit old” but the IOM study regarding the 18000 people/yr was done in 2002 and the WHO ranking was done in 2000. Third the IOM study 1. was not a comparative study and 2. was done with too much guess work. Not to mention they have stated that they believe the US should have a universal healthcare system. To see a comparative paper of healthcare numbers around the world go here:
http://www.wpri.org/Reports/Volume19/Vol19no10.pdf
The WHO study is based on what they perceive as “fairness” not facts. In fact one of the 5 factors they based their index on was “Financial Fairness”. And that is only the start of the problems with that index. If you want to learn about the other problems, this paper from the Cato Institute will explain:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/bp/bp101.pdf
To your last point, it is the President and congressional Democrats who want a healthcare plan not the public. And the polls are getting worse everyday.
http://bit.ly/Ieniy
http://bit.ly/12GGh6
http://bit.ly/uQmAM
(there are plenty more than this)
The fact is that the Democrats can pass any bill without the help of a single Republican in either house, but they haven’t done it yet because they know the people are opposed to an overhaul of our system. So if they end up passing something this fall, they will most likely need to make big time comprimises.
Salvaterra
From the American Medical Journal website hardly a bunch of commies.
http://www.amjmed.com/webfiles/images/journals/ajm/AJMMedicalBankruptcyJun09FINAL2.pdf
and
Dr. John Abramson MD
Harvard Medical School
Primary Healthcare, formerly- family practice in Appalachia and Mass. for 20 years .
“To insure all Americans would cost about two hundred billion dollars, and we’re wasting six hundred and fifty billion on health care that’s unnecessary or harmful”.
Says it all doesn’t it? Thanks for the links interesting but they all seem very right-wing. I find info from the AJM and other pros. more convincing them being physicians and all.
t
The 3 M.D.s that are responsible for that study may have graduated med school, but they are not practicing physicians. They are professors. Just like in the business and legal professions, some people graduate and go into practice in the real world and others go right back into academia. And yes, those who go back into academia are usually the left-wingers who correctly believe they can’t succeed in a capitalist economy.
While Dr. Abramson may have at least practiced medicine, he must not have read our non-partisan Congressional Budget Office’s analysis of the current House bill where they said that the proposal would have no significant savings and add a net of $1 trillion to the deficit from 2010-2019. Then after that the annual costs would be more than 4 times the expected savings.
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/103xx/doc10310/06-15-KennedyLetter.shtml
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0709/25520.html
But I suppose the CBO and Politico are also just part of the right-wingers conspiracy to keep healthcare from the poor. I did get a laugh from that $200 billion number. I’m amazed not only at your interest in our country’s healthcare system, but also in your generosity with our tax payers’ money.
I’m interested in the truth and ethics and the way people play with the meaning of both. The healthcare debate shows that in technicolour. The real right-wing nuts, like the yahoo in the video and the writer of the main article shout louder ‘cos they don’t seem to have any conscience telling outright lies, anything to make a buck or get their name in the news, or further their intent whatever that is, they lie , so who knows?
Obama got in and like Clinton the right-wingers all had hissy fits and hit out at him with anything whether it’s truthful or not. They mostly claim to be religious, but where are the ethics in this debate? NOT on the right that’s been proven over and over again. They have lost all moral authority. Why doesn’t the right get over themselves and build a party with a heart? The world doesn’t need another Bush. We’re going to the Island for a while may not be able to answer.
t
Michele Bachmann and Carl are both patriots who care about the well being of this country. We want our leaders to do what is right, not base everything on emotion or as you call it “having a heart”. That is morality. Looting the wealthy to give to the poor is the furthest thing from morality.